October 1997


Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997
From: DessaDancy@aol.com
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Middle School Science

Hi Norman,

The offer from Rolf Stanley is awesome. This will get you started!

Your questions about using STELLA with 8th grade science hit a target here -
I'm working with a group of math and science teachers from six middle schools
who are developing & piloting lessons that use systems thinking and STELLA
modeling with hands-on math and science activities (also interdisciplinary
problem solving).

Our goal is to introduce all 7th & 8th grade students to systems thinking and
system dynamics. We're sharing lessons & activities that we're developing
with each other and plan to make these available to other teachers.

A few suggestions about learning more.

1. Find other good teachers at your school to share this adventure! You'll
be moving into very exciting, still unexplored territory. Your learning (and
your students') will happen far faster and much more powerfully if you're
doing this with others.

2. If you're not already on the mailing list of the Creative Learning
Exchange (CLE), do this right away (information about conferences, resources
and what's happening in K-12 education) CLE e-mail address is:
stuntz@tiac.net

3. Plan to attend the national Systems Thinking and Dynamic Modeling
Conference for K-12 Educators! Ideally with other teacher(s) from your
school. This will be in Durham NH, June 28-30. (more information in the CLE
newsletter)

4. Check the MIT System Dyanmics in Education Project web site:
http://sysdyn.mit.edu
to see what kinds of things other teachers are doing with this ( in the
Creative Learning Exchange folder). Road Maps, also available at this site,
provides a basic introduction to system dynamics.

5. Stay in touch. If we can get funding in time, we'll offer a series of
workshops for teachers next summer, probably in Harvard, Massachusetts.

Is your school by any chance connected with PALMS?

Dessa
CESAME TIP Project
Systems Thinking and Mathematical Modeling in Middle School Math & Science


Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Ed Gallaher <gallaher@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Middle School Science

Hi Norman,

I will second the suggestion about working with other teachers. Having
several other people around to bounce ideas off is invaluable. It is
particularly useful if they are in the same building, because then the
level of visibility among students, teachers, and administrators begins to
rise above background.

It would be particularly useful if several (3-4) peers could attend the
meeting in NH next summer. You will find a tremendous amount of
enthusiasm, advice, materials, and moral support. The meeting is not
expensive, and it is not intimidating. Highly recommended.

Good luck.

Ed Gallaher


Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997
From: Les Skillings <lskillin@makani.k12.hi.us>
To: ovington@inetw.net
Cc: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Systems in World History and Economics

World History/Economics Course Correction:

The original message was not reproduced, so here it is again.

I've developed World History and Economics courses that use systems.
I'm looking for others, hopefully in Hawaii, that are interested in
sharing teaching strategies and materials.

I call my history course "A Connected View of World History." The
course uses Clive Ponding's book "A Green History" and is topical in
approach. Each topic(i.e. Land Degradation, Deforestation, World Views
etc.) area is treated in the past, present and future. I have a
sizeable materials and video list for the course. This includes a 14
page course outline.

The Economics course uses the work of Dr. Edward Deming, Peter Senge and
Paul Hawken's "Ecology of Commerce." The course introduces the student
to systemic thought processes. Again, teaching strategies and video use
challenge students to think about a new theory of economics.

Well, this is a brief introduction of my present work. I hope to hear
from you.

Leslie Skillings, Jr.
Baldwin High School
Social Studies Core Resource Teacher
Total Quality Learning Facilitator


Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:37:03 -0400
To: rstanley@together.net (Rolfe Stanley), k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: nprice@k12s.phast.umass.edu (Norman Price)
Subject: Re: Middle school science

Could I get some of them? If so how? What's it run on.

At 10:00 PM 9/29/97, Rolfe Stanley wrote:
>At 8:03 PM 9/29/97, Norman Price wrote:
>> I am an 8th grade science teacher who was introduced to systems as
>>a subject by a text I use, Investigating Systems and Change by Kendall/Hunt
>>publishing. In it I attempt to introduce kids to Systems which have dynamic
>>balance, a characteristic like equilibrium, through the use of feedback and
>>restoring mechanisms. I have them build a thermostat system and a siphon
>>system which trys to balance water levels in a beaker, and then examine
>>body regulation of blood pressure and how perscription drug use as a method
>>of balancing body systems during an illness.
>> I would love to hear more about how systems concepts are used in
>>the "real world" since often these concepts go un-reinforced after my
>>students leave my class, as traditional High school couses do not often
>>approach concepts from this perspective. I would also love to get my hands
>>on Stella, or other computer programs, for me and my school so I could
>>have my students attempt to model simple systems on the computer.
>>
>>Norman Price
>>Science Department
>>Amherst Regional Junior High
>>170 Chestnut Street
>>Amherst, MA O1002
>>
>>413-549-3710
>I have some extra copies intended for high schools..Stella 3.06
>
>Rolfe Stanley
>Stanley Computer Center
>Fletcher Extension

Norman Price
Science Department
Amherst Regional Junior High
170 Chestnut Street
Amherst, MA O1002

413-549-3710


Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: nprice@k12s.phast.umass.edu (Norman Price)
Subject: thanks

Thanks for all the great resourses. It great to see a group of pro are
blazing the trails.

Norman Price
Science Department
Amherst Regional Junior High
170 Chestnut Street
Amherst, MA O1002

413-549-3710


Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997
To: nprice@k12s.phast.umass.edu (Norman Price), k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: rstanley@together.net (Rolfe Stanley)
Subject: Re: Middle school science


They are all run on Mac computers...I can send you 2 copies but keep
bugging me since my schedule is full teaching and caregiving.

Rolfe Stanley
Stanley Computer Center
Fletcher Extension


Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997
To: rstanley@together.net (Rolfe Stanley), k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: nprice@k12s.phast.umass.edu (Norman Price)
Subject: Re: Middle school science

Rolfe,

Thanks for your generosity! I would be very interested in those copies. You
could send them at your earliest convience to the address listed below. No
rush, I understand the hectic nature of those jobs!

norm

At 8:16 PM 10/1/97, Rolfe Stanley wrote:
>They are all run on Mac computers...I can send you 2 copies but keep
>bugging me since my schedule is full teaching and caregiving.
>
>Rolfe Stanley
>Stanley Computer Center
>Fletcher Extension

Norman Price
Science Department
Amherst Regional Junior High
170 Chestnut Street
Amherst, MA O1002

413-549-3710


Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Peter Tebbutt <peter@cherwell.com>
Subject: Introduction

Hi all,

Just a brief introduction about myself. I work for a software company
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it is used, who by, what are the advantages and what is going on out there.
there is obviously a commercial aspect but as a 'new boy in town' my
primary concern is learning more about this approach to analysis.

I look forward to reading and taking part in your discussions.

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997
From: DynSystems@aol.com
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: text in draft form

To members of k-12sd group,
I have a text on Systems Thinking-System Dynamics for K-12 teachers in a
first draft form. I wrote it while teaching a graduate course for teachers. I
need someone who has the ability to do a major editing job on it. If anyone
in our group has the ability and is interested, please contact me. My EMail
address is DynSystems@aol.com.

Dr. Al Madwed


Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997
To: K-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Lees Stuntz <stuntzln@tiac.net>
Subject: Kids ST/SD site

Members of the S-D K-12 listserv:

This is a request for information. I just got an e-mail from an English
teacher in our school district saying:

what do you
>think of a web site with systems thinking stuff for kids? Of course, they'd
>need to have Stella (our kids could access through school computers) and a
>reason to visit the site, but that maybe we could arrange that. What do you
>think?
>
>If it's been done, let me know and I might be able to do something with
>someone
>else's investment.

Has it been done? Is anyone doing it? If there is one- it should
definitely be in the newsletter to tell people about it. If not, should we
get one started??

Lees

Lees N. Stuntz Phone- 508-287-0070
1 Keefe Road Fax- 508-287-0080
Acton, MA 01720 e-mail- stuntzln@tiac.net


Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997
To: Lees Stuntz <stuntzln@tiac.net>
Cc: K-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Anthony Gill <t2@phrontis.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Kids ST/SD site

What your English teacher is proposing is possible through the medium of
Web based simulations - WebSims. These have been developed by Powersim
and it is not necessary for interested parties to have the installed
software on their PCs or Macs in order to run the simulations.

May I suggest a visit to the web sites http://www.powersim.com or
www.powersim.no

where you will find further information under Metro or WebSims. There
are some five examples list members may explore such as how to set up a
fund to best use the money emerging from the Norwegian Oil Fields and a
Water Industry example. The variables may be changed but not the model.

I believe that Powersim are about to release a free student version of
the software for students in the USA. Perhaps you can check with the US
offices of Powersim if these packages will be available for the K-12
group free of charge if you need to have the software packages on your
PCs.


Should anyone be wondering, yes, I am a UK Powersim reseller but I will
receive no benefit from any activities in the USA. I just believe that
the above is useful given the question posed by Lees Stuntz.

Tony Gill


>Members of the S-D K-12 listserv:
>
>This is a request for information. I just got an e-mail from an English
>teacher in our school district saying:
>
>what do you
>>think of a web site with systems thinking stuff for kids? Of course, they'd
>>need to have Stella (our kids could access through school computers) and a
>>reason to visit the site, but that maybe we could arrange that. What do you
>>think?
>>
>>If it's been done, let me know and I might be able to do something with
>>someone
>>else's investment.
>
>Has it been done? Is anyone doing it? If there is one- it should
>definitely be in the newsletter to tell people about it. If not, should we
>get one started??
>
>Lees
>
>Lees N. Stuntz Phone- 508-287-0070
>1 Keefe Road Fax- 508-287-0080
>Acton, MA 01720 e-mail- stuntzln@tiac.net

Anthony Gill phone: +44 (0)1295 812262
Phrontis Limited
Beacon House fax: +44 (0)1295 812511
Horn Hill Road
Adderbury email: t2@phrontis.demon.co.uk
Banbury
OXON. OX17 3EU URL: http://www.phrontis.com/
U.K.


Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997
From: Mary Ellen Verona <mverona@mvhs1.mbhs.edu>
Cc: K-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: Cost of health care

Heard a report today that gave startling news: if the percent of smokers
decreased sharply, the total cost of health care would initally go down -
but then go back up. Seems like a nice doable problem for students to
tackle.


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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:44:50 -0400
To: K-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: sherry@heaven-and-earth.com (C. Sherry Immediato)
Subject: Re: Cost of Health Care

As someone who does alot of work with health care providers, including
microworlds to test health improvement strategies, I liked the example that
Mary Ellen Verona offered regarding the consequences over time of a
reduction in smoking. Many articles on other health improvement strategies
usually only quote the near term impact. I can't remember the actual
intervention, but another article this week reported that if the
improvement was made, deaths would decrease by 40,000 per year. While
clearly this could happen in the short term, it is also clear that in the
long term, we're all dead. I suspect that the authors of the article Mary
Ellen mentions are making the related assumption that the costs of old age
and illness are merely postponed and perhaps increased for reasons of
longer life expectancy.

Does this mean that it's not so bad from a pubic policy standpoint for
people to smoke? What about the effects of second-hand smoke? Are the
cost dynamics similar? I don't think so. But clearly these are questions
that young modelers can start to address. I am particularly encouraged
when students take on issues like this and share their work in the
community. I know from work with Boards of Trustees of health care
providers that these types of issues are of great interest to them, but day
to day concerns often keep them low on the priority list. I suspect that a
well-prepared presentation could make it on to many of their agendas. This
exposure to systems thinking could help them think differently about many
issues and give students a chance to make a contribution to their
communities on a substantive issue and improve decision making processes.


Sherry Immediato

Sherry Immediato, President (617)354-6506 sherry@heaven-and-earth.com
Heaven & Earth Incorporated - enabling collective intelligence and wisdom
P.O. Box 381027 Cambridge, MA 02238-1027 (781)449-8909


Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997
To: system-dynamics@world.std.com
From: Lucia Breierova <lucia@MIT.EDU>
Subject: REPLY General Questions (SD1117)

Hello Lee,

Road Maps is a series of self-study guides that use modeling exercises and
elected literature to provide a resource for learning about the principles
and practices of system dynamics.

Road Maps is written by the System Dynamics in Education Project at MIT, a
group of undergraduate students working under the direction of Prof. Jay W.
Forrester. Eight chapters of Road Maps are currently available and can be
downloaded from:
http://sysdyn.mit.edu
Some additional books are required for purchase in order to complete all
the readings in Road Maps. The series is currently based on STELLA II.

If you have any other questions or comments about Road Maps, please send us
an mail at rm-help@sysdyn.mit.edu.

Lucia Breierova, Project Manager
System Dynamics in Education Project
E60-355, 30 Memorial Drive, Cambridge, MA 02139
Phone: (617) 253-6356 Fax: (617) 258-9405
Email: lucia@mit.edu


Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:21:25 -0400
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: jsoderquist@hps-inc.com (Jane Soderquist)
Subject: STELLA

High Performance Systems, Inc. is now shipping version 5.0 of the STELLA
dynamic modeling and simulation software. Version 5.0 includes new
user-interface-building capabilities that enable you or your students to
communicate insights by transforming models into multimedia Learning
Environments. Visit our web site at http://www.hps-inc.com to download the
new demo, which includes a pre-built Learning Environment, and STELLA
examples (with interfaces!) from across the curriculum.

In response to the recent email on the K-12 list-serve regarding a systems
thinking web site for kids, you'll be interested in knowing there is now a
free downloadable STELLA Run-time available at our web site. Please feel
free to distribute your models--via disk or web-site--and have colleagues,
friends, and students download the new Run-time. In our 10 years of
working in the systems thinking and education community, HPS has found that
great insights come from not just changing variables within a model, but
from working with and modifying the model structure. We are confident this
free Run-time will enhance the ability of people to view, modify, and
simulate each others' models--thereby generating increasingly greater
understanding!

For more details, a free demo, or a free Run-time, visit our web site at
http://www.hps-inc.com, email us at support@hps-inc.com, or call us at
800-332-1202. As always, we are interested in any thoughts, comments, or
suggestions you might have about our software--and about how you're using
it in your classrooms and daily lives. Please keep in touch.

Sincerely,
Jane Soderquist

p.s. If you own version 3.0, you'll be glad to know that Message Postings
and Sensitivity Analysis Setups will fully translate to this new version.
If you own version 2.2 or 2.0, we have translator disks to help you bring
your models up to version 5.0.



----------------Jane Soderquist-----------------
High Performance Systems, Inc.
45 Lyme Road, Suite, 200
Hanover, NH 03755-1221
http://www.hps-inc.com * support@hps-inc.com
-----------jsoderquist@hps-inc.com--------------


Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997
To: Lees Stuntz <stuntzln@tiac.net>, K-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Will Glass-Husain <wilgl@powersim.com>
Subject: Re: Kids ST/SD site

Hi all...

Been a while since I've posted here... hello to old friends.

As Tony mentioned, Powersim has new software ("Metro Server") released last
week that allows users to create web-based simulators ("WebSims"). Web
developers can build a WebSim by creating a model with Powersim
Constructor, programming a Java interface, and then embedding the simulator
into a web page with standard html.

Once the WebSim is up, users around the world (with either a Mac or PC) can
experiment with the WebSim using a java-compatible web browser such as
Netscape or Microsoft Internet Explorer. If the web site creator wants to
give students access to the model, they may include a link to download the
model and to download a free copy of the Powersim run-time.

Note that Powersim's web page (www.powersim.com) offers a free converter
from iThink/STELLA models to Powersim models, allowing you to use your
models with the Metro Server regardless of which software you used to build
the model.

Powersim has special programs offering our software at steep discounts (and
in some cases free) to academic institutions. Contact Brian Beard at
703-481-1270 for more information on educational discounts and on our
model-building tool, Powersim Constructor. For information on the Metro
Server, ask for Charlie Church.

Best regards, Will

------------------------
Will Glass-Husain
wilgl@powersim.com

Powersim-
Simulator Solutions Group
1700 Montgomery Street, Suite 111
San Francisco, CA 94111

Phone: 415-835-9464 (direct)
Fax: 415-954-7147
http://www.powersim.com/services


Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: sds@cnsvax.albany.edu (by way of Nan Lux)
Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS

There will be a very special session on using system dynamics in K-12
education, so get those abstracts ready!
----------------------------------------------------
THE SIXTEENTH INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE OF THE
SYSTEM DYNAMICS SOCIETY

Celebrating over forty years of advancing policy simulation

July 20 - 23, 1998

Quebec Hilton

Quebec City
CANADA

System Dynamics
Quebec '98

CONFERENCE INFORMATION AND CALL FOR PAPERS

SYSTEM DYNAMICS
QUEBEC '98

The sixteenth international conference of the System Dynamics Society will be
held July 20-23, 1998, in Quebec City, Canada. The conference will attract
more than two hundred practitioners interested in policy studies based on
systems thinking and computer simulation informed by a feedback perspective.


PROGRAM

The conference will consist of plenary and parallel sessions with deliberate
opportunities for relaxed social and professional interaction.

Plenary sessions will feature refereed presentations of current developments in
system dynamics and exemplary applications of system dynamics and systems
thinking.

Parallel sessions will cover the range of work being done by system dynamics
practitioners worldwide, including

- applications of system dynamics and systems thinking in
corporate and public policy
- policy studies emphasizing the role of feedback
- developments in simulation tools and techniques
- advances in the modeling process and group model building
- system dynamics contributions to theory building in the social and natural
sciences
- complex nonlinear dynamic systems
- contributions to system dynamics teaching materials and methods

LOCATION

The conference will be held at the Quebec Hilton, just outside the walls of Old
Quebec, a U.N. World Heritage Site, the location of the first permanent
European settlement in North America, an area rich in history and francophone
culture.

Quebec City and its surroundings offer a wide variety of tourist and cultural
activities, excellent restaurants and great shopping opportunities, making it
an ideal destination for companions and children to accompany conference
participants.

Quebec City is accessible by air through the Lesage International Airport in
the suburb of Ste-Foy, just 20 minutes from the conference hotel, and is two
and a half hours by car, bus or train from Montreal.

The conference is registered with the Hilton International Hotel chain. Room
reservations can be made through Hilton Hotels anywhere in the world.


ABSTRACTS, PRESENTATIONS, PAPERS, AND CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS

Submissions for conference presentations including tutorial sessions and
workshops, as well as papers are invited. A written paper is required for
plenary presentations but not for parallel sessions. An one page abstracts
(maximum 250 words plus title and author(s) identification) for all
presentations are due by February 1, 1998, to the program chair listed below.
They will be peer reviewed, and acceptances mailed March 1, 1998. Abstracts
should be submitted in electronic format as a plain text (ASCII) file on
DOS-compatible diskette or by E-mail to the program chair.

Plenary presentations will be selected from completed papers only, submitted by
May 1. Invitation to submit a paper for consideration for a plenary session
will be mailed March 1, 1998.

For those wishing to organize tutorial sessions, workshops or special interest
group sessions around the conference dates, submit a brief description of the
activity with estimated space and time requirements to the conference or
program chair before February 1, 1998.

Material for the conference proceedings is due by May 1, 1998. Presentations
must be submitted in one of a limited number of common file formats.
Instructions for format will be sent with acceptances in March.

CONTACTS

Conference chair
R. Joel Rahn
3460 De Nevers
Ste-Foy, Quebec, Canada G1X 2E1
E-mail: rjrahn@microtec.net or
joel.rahn@osd.ulaval.ca

Program chair
Alexander Pugh
49 Bedford Road
Lincoln, MA 01773, USA
E-mail: JandJpugh@aol.com

SPONSORS OF THE SYSTEM DYNAMICS SOCIETY

Frank Davidsen
Jay W. Forrester
GKA Incorporated
High Performance Systems Inc.
Microworlds, Inc.
Modelldata AS
Pegasus Communications, Inc.
Powersim Corporation
Pugh-Roberts Associates
Paradigm Business Simulators
Ventana Systems, Inc.

Roberta L. Spencer System.Dynamics@albany.edu
Executive Director, System Dynamics Society Phone: 518-442-3865
Milne 300, Rockefeller College Fax: 518-442-3398
University at Albany - State University of New York
Albany, NY, 12222, U.S.A.


Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997
From: Lukas Heierle <heierle@ubaclu.unibas.ch>
Subject: Costs of Health Care
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Reply-To: Lukas Heierle <heierle@ubaclu.unibas.ch>

Last week I read the two emails concerning the Costs of Smoking for Public
Health Care. For those who are interested in this topic and who would like
to read the original article: It was published on october 9 1997 in the
NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE, Vol.337:1052-1057.
With best regards

Lukas Heierle


Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997
From: LucasRPS@aol.com
To: heierle@ubaclu.unibas.ch, k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Costs of Health Care

Having the information on the original article concerning the Cost of Smoking
for Public Health Care is very helpful for classroom teachers who want to
start the exploration and model building with their students. (Thank you
Lukas) We will put the article to use in our eighth grade health classes.

At some point, posting actual models on this bulletin board would be a
helpful to all. Maybe even with a shared pen. We could learn as we go and
encourage others.

I'm looking to expand my parent workshops on S.T. to include mapping and
modeling current fiction/non-fiction or books on child development/parenting.
Has anyone been working with parent book group and literature circles in
S.T. I'm searching for some different resources.

Tim Lucas
Ho-Ho-Kus Public Schools, NJ


Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997
From: "Malcolm, Barbara, and Ian" <ovington@inetw.net>
Reply-To: ovington@inetw.net
Organization: Ovington Square, Ltd
To: LucasRPS@aol.com
Cc: heierle@ubaclu.unibas.ch, k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Models like Costs of Health Care

Greetings...I am beginning a project to develop computer simulation
models with kids 5-8 at a Montessori school in Rockport, Maine. If you
have some experience or advice to offer, I would be most
grateful....Malcolm Brooks


Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997
From: Arlen Wolpert <awolpert@world.std.com>
To: "Malcolm, Barbara, and Ian" <ovington@inetw.net>
Cc: LucasRPS@aol.com, heierle@ubaclu.unibas.ch, k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Models like Costs of Health Care

On Sat, 18 Oct 1997, Malcolm, Barbara, and Ian wrote:

> Greetings...I am beginning a project to develop computer simulation
> models with kids 5-8 at a Montessori school in Rockport, Maine. If you
> have some experience or advice to offer, I would be most
> grateful....Malcolm Brooks
>
Dear Malcolm, et al.,

I have written a book that may interest you.
Below are a couple of blurbs on the book that
I wrote back in 1992.

Arlen Wolpert
Independent Scholar
411 Franklin Street, Apt. 1008
Cambridge, MA 02139 USA
Telephone: (617)547-6994
email: awolpert@world.std.com
___________________________
Blurb#1:

System Dynamics for Beginner's, Book I: Bathtub
by Arlen Wolpert

The author is a system dynamicist who taught at one
time in the inner city. He knows how difficult it is at first for
young people to get the hang of system dynamics. So he has made
this first introduction to it very simple.
Bathtub leads people step by step through the process
of building a system dynamics model for emptying and filling a
bathtub and then taking a bath. It is used with the STELLA
software and the appropriate computer. There is an illustration
on every page of this 300+ page book.
For example, a page of the book might show STELLA
in the window of the Mac with a stock at the center. The student
sees the same picture on his or her computer screeen. The caption
in the book might read, "Now, let's put a drain on our bathtub.
To do this, click on the flow tool shown darkened on the toolrack
at the top, 2nd from the left. Be sure to release your click. Move
the flow tool to the center of the square bathtub or stock. Then
click and hold and drag down. Release your click."
Then on the next page the window shows a picture of
what should be on the computer screen, if the student performed
the previous page correctly. The caption reads, "This is what
you should have." It then goes on to the next step, page after page.
At the end of the book the student knows how to use
STELLA; knows how to use a graph; how to use a table of data;
how to run a simulation; has a feel for what a stock is and
what a rate is; the concepts of cause and effect; etc.
Now he is ready to comprehend an important model
like Forrester's World Dynamics. He or she sees that Population
is like a bathtub: it accumulates or empties. Birthrate is like a
faucet; it adds to Population; etc. After he gets an idea of what is
being modeled, he or she is eager to know what happens to the
world. At that point he knows how to run a model, so he runs it.
But, dear reader, I must warn you that it makes the student sad that the
world is headed for a crisis in his or her own lifetime! Playing
with the bathtub is much more fun. But later, he or she will ask
questions and will be told that there are ways to avoid the crisis.

Blurb#2:

System Dynamics for Beginners by Arlen Wolpert
System Dynamics for Beginners takes the student
through the process of simulating the emptying and filling of a
bathtub and taking a bath. It has been briefly beta tested at
Sudbury Valley School with kids from ages 8 to 14. Once they
understood the stock and flow concepts for the bathtub as well
as the data table and graph concepts, they were able to grasp
the rise and fall of pollution, population, and resources as well
as the approaching world crisis when they were later
introduced to Forrester's World Model .
The book was also useful for learning the STELLA
and STELLA II software packages in a Macintosh environment.
Some MIT students found it useful in the first stages of learning
system dynamics. It was also shown to a few adults who were
afraid of computers and they found it fun.
Bathtub can be used on the following versions of STELLA. The
first half of the book is for use with STELLA II (1990-1992);the
second half is for use with STELLA (1985-1990).The book is
in the public domain. It is hoped that other system dynamicists
will contribute books to the series as time goes by. The plan
right now is that System Dynamics for Beginners will
eventually be a series of books which can teach, augment
teaching, or modernize the teaching of physics, math, biology,
and social science in 6th through 12th grades. The
modernization would occur when feedback techniques and
computers are integrated into the teaching of such basic
subject matter.
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97
From: Dan Compton <Dan_Compton@ccm.fm.intel.com>
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
Subject: Dyslexia

I've developed a preliminary vensim model of the knowledge
acquisition and how it is different for dyslexics. I came to the
point where I need some validation of the model from a more expert
group. Are you the group?
Much of the theory of my model is based on Ron Davis' book, "The
Gift of Dyslexia" (see http://www.dyslexia.com).
--Dan


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Bob L Eberlein <vensim@world.std.com> (by way of Nan Lux)
Subject: ANNOUNCE Vensim 3.0

The message below mentions (near the end) that a free version (Vensim PLE)
is available to you. My apologies if this is a duplicate for you!
Nan Lux, Administrator, "k-12sd" List
---------------------------------------------
Hi Everyone

Ventana Systems, Inc. is pleased to announce the availability of version
3.0 of Vensim. Vensim 3.0 is available for Windows 95/NT, Windows 3.1,
the Macintosh and the Power Macintosh. We have rewritten the user
interface to make it easier to get started building models and more
efficient to use Vensims unique analysis capabilities. Vensim PLE has
also been updated and remains free for academic use. Vensim PLE is
available for downloading from our web site.

For more information check our our web site http://www.vensim.com or call
us at 1-800-VENSIM1 (617 489 5249 - Fax 617 489 5316).

Bob Eberlein
BobEberlein@vensim.com


Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Fabian Szulanski <fabians@swbell.net>
Subject: System Dynamics in the elevator

Dear Colleagues,
I invite you with the challenge of trying to define System Dynamics as if
you were in an elevator, and somebody was asking to you what it is when you
tell him that you are interested in this field; therefore leaving you less
than 30 seconds to explain.

I hope the generated brainstorming will be useful for all of us, who I guess
have already experienced that kind of question, and frequently we couldn't
do more than refer them to some Web sites, lacking a synthetic answer.

Be well...and in touch

Fabian Szulanski

Adjunct Assistant Professor
University of Texas at San Antonio
Master Student in System Dynamics
University of Bergen, Norway

E-mail address: fabians@swbell.net
Web Page: http://www.ifi.uib.no/student/sd/fabians


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997
From: George Richardson <gr383@cnsvax.albany.edu>
Subject: Re: System Dynamics in the elevator
To: Fabian Szulanski <fabians@swbell.net>
Cc: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu

I'd say "System dynamics is the use of computer simulation for policy
analysis in complex systems. It's big contribution is helping people to
build progressively richer understandings of some dynamic problem, and
anticipate weaknesses in policy initiatives that would develop over time."

And as Fred say, "Here's my card. Let me know if we can help."

If you still have time (and an audience), I'd say "It gets a lot of its
power from a 'feedback' perspective -- the realization that tough dynamic
problems arise in situations with lots of pressures and perceptions that
interact to form loops of circular causality, rather than simple one-way
causal chains. Humans are really good at thinking up all that
interconnected complexity and really weak at inferring its implications
without the support of simulation models."

And you are now at the lobby level, so you probably won't be able to give
them a nice list of references...

...GPR

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George P. Richardson G.P.Richardson@Albany.edu
Rockefeller College of Public Affairs and Policy Phone: 518-442-3859
University at Albany - SUNY, Albany, NY 12222 Fax: 518-442-3398
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Sender: J.B.Williamson@bolton.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997
From: jbw1@basil.acs.bolton.ac.uk
Reply-To: <jbw1@bolton.ac.uk>
To: K-12SD@SYSDYN.MIT.EDU
Subject: System Dynamics in a sentence

Causes generate effects which are causes which generate effects which are causes......
Either fade into self-reflection, increase speed and volume or just keep
repeating it.
Best Wishes
Jim Williamson


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: ithomas@mail.sd70.bc.ca (Ian Thomas)
Subject: Re: System Dynamics in the elevator

My experience is that my answer depends heavily on the interests of the
person. In the high school where I work I explain it to teachers in terms
of how they could use it to teach a concept in there discipline. When I
talk with administrators I talk about the problems of the school and how
system dynamics could be applied to help us understand and discuss the
problems.

I think it is important and useful to share ideas. I would be interested
in a series of analogies and short answer that can be used for different
audiences.

Ian Thomas
Network Manager
Alberni District Secondary School
ithomas@mail.sd70.bc.ca


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Ed Gallaher <gallaher@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: System Dynamics in the elevator

>Dear Colleagues,
>I invite you with the challenge of trying to define System Dynamics as if
>you were in an elevator, and somebody was asking to you what it is when you
>tell him that you are interested in this field; therefore leaving you less
>than 30 seconds to explain.
>
>I hope the generated brainstorming will be useful for all of us, who I guess
>have already experienced that kind of question, and frequently we couldn't
>do more than refer them to some Web sites, lacking a synthetic answer.
>
>Be well...and in touch
>
>Fabian Szulanski



I have enjoyed seeing the first few answers to this provocative question,
and I must compliment Fabian on raising a very interesting issue.

I wrote something along these lines about two years ago and I'll dig it out
and send it along in the next day or so. Of course, this immediately
departs from Fabian's question, What would I say RIGHT NOW in the elevator?

A marketing acquaintance observed that a good brand name has one word, 2-3
syllables, and contains information that is -immediately- obvious,
descriptive, and memorable. System Dynamics does not fit these
requirements; neither does STELLA, Vensim, or Powersim, although perhaps
the latter comes closest.

Dynamo (DYNAmic MOdeling) is a wonderful name! Too bad (for everyone but
Pugh-Roberts) that the name is linked to a specific brand rather than to
the field itself.

Collectively, we have a huge marketing task ahead of us.

I have heard JWF state that it takes about 6-8 hours of exposure for the
newcomer to begin to catch on, and I agree with this. After a long
struggle I have succeeded in inserting a 1-hr lecture and two 4-hour
computer labs into an introductory physiology/pharmacology course for
graduate students. (Hooray!) The lecture was Monday, and the labs are
tomorrow and next week. (I'll keep you posted . . . )

If JWF's contention is true (and they almost always are), then an infinite
number of 1-hour lectures, seminars, or presentations, will not do it. And
this has been my frustrating experience over the past 10 years.

Clearly, one cannot explain (yet) what S.D. is if the listener does not
know what a system is! And this is not easy either. The dictionary
definitions are not consistent, nor are they very illuminating. JWF says
in Principles of Systems "As used here a 'system' means a grouping of
parts that operate together for a common purpose. An automobile . . .
an autopilot . . . a warehouse . . . . "

This is a good definition. And when we KNOW what SD is all about it makes
perfect sense. But if we don't realize where this is going, it may not be
too meaningful. If everyone already knew what -systems- were, then it
would be easier to sell a tool that is used to analyze systems. Likewise,
if I don't know what an internal combustion engine can do, I am not going
to be very interested in buying an engine block, camshaft, pistons, rings,
and socket wrenches.



I guess I would say something like this:

****************
"A 'system' means a grouping of parts that operate together for a common
purpose."

(As in any teaching environment I'd try to be very aware of non-verbal
responses from my listener.)

"As one example we could consider the salmon ecosystem which includes
fish, predators, commercial and sports fishermen, the physical environment
(cold, clear, running water with gravel beds vs. clearcutting, grazing,
silt, and warm water), dams, turbines, and fishladders." (I'd try to
create as broad a laundry list as possible, perhaps drawing my listener in
to provide suggestions as well.)

"Another very different example might be the criminal justice system, which
includes jails, policemen, judges, criminals, probation offiicers, victims,
families, and the perceptions of the general public."

"I need to give you several examples here, because system dynamics is not a
"sociology" tool, or an "ecology" tool, or a "financial" tool. It is a
more general tool that let's us think about, and study, systems in general."

"System Dynamics provides us with two major tools. First is a very simple,
but powerful way to develop DIAGRAMS which specifically help us talk to
each other about the parts of a system and how they fit together. As we
build a diagram together we are forced to talk about our underlying ideas
and assumptions, so they become much less fuzzy. We may find that we
-cannot- build a diagram that we both agree with. This is a HUGE step
forward, because now we have at least clarified our own understanding, and
increased our understanding of the other person's "mental model".

"After we have developed a diagram, System Dynamics software allows us to
put numbers on each piece of the puzzle, or on each connection between two
or more pieces of the puzzle. Then we can run computer simulations which
describe the behavior of the "system" under different conditions (more
dams, fewer dams; more rain, less rain; more logging, less logging).

Is the model "right"? We don't know for sure. It can never be "perfect".

Does it help us understand the system? Yes! Does it increase our
awareness of other factors that may be outside our usual viewpoint? Yes!
Does it allow us to talk more intelligently to our colleagues, our kids,
and our politicians? Yes! This approach will very often identify "fixes
that fail", despite the best intentions of idealistic policy makers. And
hopefully, it will lead us fixes that don't fail . . . "
************************

Now, was the elevator going up or down?

If it was going down, as George Richardson suggested, and you are in the
lobby, then your power of persuasion and enthusiasm might give you another
60 seconds, which could come close to getting through the above scenario.
If there is a coffee shop nearby your chances go up even further. If going
up it is a little more awkward, because the other people on the elevator
get increasingly irritated if you hold the door open too long . . .


Anyone who knows me will recognize these as typical scenarios. The LAST
thing my wife wants to hear on an elevator with me is for someone to ask,
"What is that system dynamics stuff, anyway . . . ?"

Sincerely,

Ed Gallaher
Assoc. Prof. Pharmacology and Behavioral Neuroscience
Oregon Health Sciences University
Portland, OR


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu, system-dynamics@world.std.com
From: "Jay W. Forrester" <jforestr@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Re: System Dynamics in the elevator

>Dear Colleagues,
>I invite you with the challenge of trying to define System Dynamics as if
>you were in an elevator, and somebody was asking to you what it is when you
>tell him that you are interested in this field; therefore leaving you less
>than 30 seconds to explain.
>
>Fabian Szulanski
---------------------------------
System dynamics deals with how things change through time, which includes
most of what most people find important. It uses computer simulation to
take the knowledge we already have about details in the world around us and
to show why our social and physical systems behave the way they do. System
dynamics demonstrates how most of our own decision-making policies are the
cause of the problems that we usually blame on others, and how to identify
policies we can follow to improve our situation.

[this may work if the building is tall enough, and if the person really
wanted to know]

----------------------------------------------------------
PLEASE CHANGE YOUR RECORDS FOR MY MIT FAX NUMBER BELOW
NOTE THE NEW AREA CODE FOR MY HOME OFFICE NUMBERS BELOW
---------------------------------------------------------

Jay W. Forrester
Professor of Management, Emeritus
and Senior Lecturer, Sloan School
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Room E60-389
Cambridge, MA 02139
tel: 617-253-1571
fax: 617-258-9405 THIS IS A NEW FAX NUMBER, 8/28/97

email: jforestr@mit.edu

Home office:
tel: 978-369-9372 CHANGE AREA CODE 508 TO 978 ON SEPT. 1, '97
fax: 978-369-9077 CHANGE AREA CODE 508 TO 978 ON SEPT. 1, '97


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Lees Stuntz <stuntzln@tiac.net>
Subject: Elevator speeches

If you all don't mind- I will complie all the elevator speeches and put
them in the newsletter- it certainly does make you think! There is a bit
longer piece in the CLE documents by Deb Lyneis called" Systems Thinking in
25 words or Less" ( 25WORDDL) available on the web site whcih people might
enjoy reading.

Lees Stuntz

Lees N. Stuntz
Creative Learning Exchange Phone- 508-287-0070
1 Keefe Road Fax- 508-287-0080
Acton, MA 01720 e-mail- stuntzln@tiac.net


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997
To: Lees Stuntz <stuntzln@tiac.net>
From: jheinbokel@UCSD.Edu (John Heinbokel)
Subject: Re: Elevator speeches
Cc: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu

>If you all don't mind- I will complie all the elevator speeches and put
>them in the newsletter- it certainly does make you think!
>
>Lees Stuntz

===>>>Fine with me, Lees,'though I always figure what you get from me is
worth every penny you paid (and since this came free...). My only concern,
as I've skimmed the other responses, is a heavy focus on "policy" and
"social problem" aspects. Those are valuable and valid subsets or areas of
application for SD, but I'd hate for folks to think that was its only, or
even its primary or most valuable, use. The educators (at least the
pre-college ones) using this stuff seem to have a much broader appreciation
of its value and applicability beyond the common definition of "public
policy." I haven't seen many of those players contributing to this
conversation.

I hadn't meant to make this a general posting, but my mouth seems to have
run away with me in chatting with Lees, so you all might as well suffer my
opinions.

john

-----------------------------------
john heinbokel
visiting scholar
scripps institution of oceanography
la jolla, ca 92093-0227
619/822-2512(W); 619/350-7496(H)
jheinbokel@ucsd.edu


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997
From: Janice Mae Curtis <jancurt@tenet.edu>
To: systems MIT group <k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu>
Subject: channel "ELEVATOR"

Hi everyone,
I realize this response is at the tail end of the conversation,
but I wanted to add a bit from what I have observed by teaching systems
thinking/system dynamics in the classroom. If I were faced with the
question (as sooooo often I am by parents, teachers etc..) I would not
attempt to explain in my terms, but in theirs therefore, making the
concept more understandable, relevant and interesting (many other benefits
of course but in 30 seconds give me a break!!!). It is this that makes
system dynamics so incredibly valuable for students. In a nutshell,
making it relevant so that the sense of adventure in that particular
person could be captured. Since it's an elevator ride, I would pose the
"what if" scenario, that is, if the elevator was to malfunction a repair
person (to be politically correct) would not just look at one part of the
"system" being the elevator, but the system as a whole to ensure that
people riding the elevator would remain safe (unless you are in
Hollywood). I would then take advantage of the "systems" at play concept
and transfer to other systems such as the body and a Doctor's conclusion
about a certain set of symptoms within the "body system" etc.... I would
explain that system dynamics is the use of computer simulations which is
one step further in observing, testing, validating,and processing causal
relationships and systems over time. The approach acts as a grounding
mechanism to help illogical assumptions from dominating. Then if my blood
pressure was not to high from the sheer excitement of talking about such
things, I would invite them to read the "Fifth Discipline" and many other
wonderful books and curriculum items that are available.

Thanks,
Janice Curtis
Mind Science Foundation Education Project
San Antonio, Texas


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997
To: system-dynamics@world.std.com
From: roderick@copernicus.bbn.com (Steven Roderick)
Subject: REPLY System Dynamics in the elevator (SD1159)

Dear Colleagues,
I don't mean to offend by sounding tongue in cheek, but to this high school
teacher, system dynamics is a discipline that uses computers as tools to
compress time and expand thought, making manifest the changing conseqences
of complex and often circular relationships. It is the one disciple I can
think of that might explain why after getting on the elevator, pushing the
button for the sixth floor, and experiencing the ride, the doors open and
you find yourself back where you began.

This is a wonderful discussion. Thank you Fabian.

In peace,
Steve Roderick
roderick@copernicus.bbn.com
_____________________
"Is the sun the same as yesterday's
or is this fire different from that fire?"
-Pablo Neruda

Steven Roderick
Lincoln Sudbury High School
390 Lincoln Road
Sudbury, MA 01776
(508) 443-9961 x287
Fax: 508 443-8824


Subject: Re: REPLY System Dynamics in the elevator (SD1152)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97
From: Eric Wolstenholme <eric@cognitus.co.uk>
To: "system dynamics" <system-dynamics@world.std.com>, <k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu>,
"system dynamics" <system-dynamics@world.std.com>

It occurs to me that one neat way of expressing an elevator (lift)
definiton of system dynamics might be to present it as a mission
statement. Here goes:

The what, why and how of system dynamics:

What: A rigorous way to help thinking, visualising, sharing, and
communication of the future evolution of complex organisations and issues
over time,

Why: for the purpose of solving problems and creating more robust
designs, which minimise the likelihood of unpleasant surprises and
unintended consequences,

How: by creating operational maps and simulation models which externalise
mental models and capture the interrelationships of physical and
behavioural processes, organisational boundaries, policies, information
feedback and time delays; and by using these architectures to test the
holistic outcomes of alternative plans and ideas, .

Within: a framework which respects and fosters the needs and values of
awareness, openness, responsibility and equality of individuals and teams.

Eric Wolstenholme (Eric@Cognitus.co.uk)


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997
To: system-dynamics@world.std.com, k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Mohammad Mojtahedzadeh <mohammad@hps-inc.com>
Subject: REPLY System Dynamics in the elevator

Ninth floor please!
Well, system dynamics modeling is the art of constructing thorough,
consistent, cogent stories narrating "how roads lead on to roads" (feedback
loops), and cause a series of events (dynamic behavior), in order to reveal
"what made all the difference".

Sorry, it got too poetic.


Mohammad Mojtahedzadeh
High Performance Systems, Inc.


Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Barry Richmond <brichmond@hps-inc.com>
Subject: re: SD in an elevator

SD in a 30 second elevator ride…

To make sense of reality, we all simplify it. Let's call these
simplifications "mental models." We "simulate" our mental models in order
to determine which course of action to implement, which alternative to
choose, which strategies will best achieve our objectives.

History shows that our choices and decisions often leave us with holes in
our feet. We so often injure our feet two reasons: (1) the assumptions
constituting the mental models we build are not sufficiently congruent with
the reality they are seeking to represent, and (2) our simulations of these
models do not correctly trace out the dynamic consequences implied by the
assumptions in the models.

System Dynamics is an approach which can help us to construct mental models
which are more likely to be congruent with reality and to then simulate
these models more accurately. System Dynamics is thus increases the
likelihood that we will produce the consequences we intend.


From: "Doug Cardell" <cardell@azstarnet.com>
To: <k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu>
Subject: Elevator
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:04:52 -0700

The One Minute Modeler

As we go through life we look for patterns that will help us look into the
future. Most of the patterns we look for involve looking for similarity in
THINGS. Most people would see no similarity between a rabbit population
and money in the bank because they deal with very different THINGS. In
system dynamics we look for similarity in SYSTEMS not THINGS. In the
rabbit population, rabbits make more rabbits that make more rabbits and so
on. When money is in the bank, it makes more money that makes more money
and so on. Different THINGS, same SYSTEM. Finding similarity between
systems increases understanding in complex environments, particularly those
in which causes and effects are widely separated in time and space.
Doug Cardell
"Confusion is a symptom of learning."


Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997
To: <k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu>
From: Ingrid Stallsmith <istallsmith@hps-inc.com>
Subject: Bio Models and Development of Feedback Relationships

Mary Ellen Verona (Maryland Virtual HS of Science and Mathematics) posed a
question to the k-12 list-serve regarding resources for developing models
that capture the feedback relationships inherent in biological processes. I
wish to inform subscribers of the upcoming release of High Performance
Systems, Inc.'s new Learning Environment, "Design a Cell." This
interactive multimedia
learning tool allows students to experience how the organelles within a
cell work as a dynamic system. The underlying model of the LE, which has
been created with STELLA Author, captures the complexities of the feedback
relationships that link the organelles and shape their behavior. For more
information about "Design a Cell" and/or modeling biological feedback
relationships, please contact us at the information below.

Thank you,
Ingrid Stallsmith


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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997
To: k-12sd@sysdyn.mit.edu
From: Fabian Szulanski <fabians@swbell.net>
Subject: Assessment of ST/SD in Education
Cc: system-dynamics@world.std.com, dinamica-sistemas@campus.mty.itesm.mx

Hello dear colleagues,
It'd be interesting if we can build a collective understanding about how the
different educational initiatives that use ST and SD as tools around the
world are assessing learning effectiveness, in all levels, from K to Graduate.
Be well...and in touch.
Fabian Szulanski.

Adjunct Assistant Professor
University of Texas at San Antonio
Master Student in System Dynamics
University of Bergen, Norway

E-mail address: fabians@swbell.net
Web Page: http://www.ifi.uib.no/student/sd/fabians